If You Are Pro-Abortion, You’ve Probably Used These 5 Arguments – Here’s Why You’re Wrong

Yesterday - Mother's Day - infamous head of the abortion mill known as Planned Parenthood, Cecile Richards tweeted this:

Nothing says "I love you, Mom!" like standing up for the right of mothers everywhere to get the care they need. https://t.co/uFRM9UeosH

I responded with this:

@CecileRichards Nothing says "I love you, Mom!" Like the deafening silence of a dead baby who will never say "I love you, Mom!" Amiright?

-Heimish Conservative (@HeimishCon) May 14, 2017

The amount of activity I got in my Twitter mentions was astounding. I don't recall this number of replies and comments on a topic in at least a very long time. Thankfully most of the replies were ones from pro-life folks who were stressing how wrong some of the other pro-abortion replies were.

However, I noticed that the pro-abortion folks repeatedly use arguments that are evasive, childish and idiotic. Here are the most common ones, in no particular order. Note that I take no credit for rebutting these ridiculous arguments since the rebuttals are, for the most part, obvious:

1. A fetus is not a baby - This is an entirely semantic argument. It's meaningless. Essentially, the argument is "A human being that is a fetus is not a human being that is a baby." Well, perhaps that's true in certain cosmetic or topical ways, but they are both human beings, so there is no actual reason to think that murdering the former should be morally different than murdering the latter. It is also true that "a human being who is a female is not a human being who is a male," but I don't hear anyone arguing (thankfully) that there should be a difference morally between murdering one and not the other.

2. If you care so much about life, why don't you support [insert government program] that helps poor people take care of kids after birth? - This is an obvious non-sequitur. One can hold that murder is wrong even though they hold the government has no business forcing other people to take care of a person whose murder is prevented. And people can hold that murdering a baby is wrong and also hold that government programs are good. The two issues aren't connected. The mafia murders people, yet nobody thinks that murder should be illegal only if we steal money from law-abiding citizens to cover costs that the mafia would have if they were to be prevented from murdering. Unfortunately, pro-lifers sometimes buy this argument and respond with "if you don't can't take responsibility, maybe you shouldn't have a kid." While this is a good point for the vast vast majority of cases, it grants the premise that somehow the government is responsible for enforcing charity. It also opens the door to the next dumb argument:

3. What about rape or incest, huh? - Again, this is an argument that suffers from the same fallacy as #1: "A human being conceived through rape or incest is not the same as a human being conceived through regular consensual means." Really? They are both human beings, so what difference does it make how they were conceived? Moreover, why would such considerations cease after birth? If a mother decides when the child is 12 that she can't bear the pain of seeing the result of her being raped day in and day out, does she have the right to kill the child? Of course not! A human being is a human being is a human being. Another problem with this argument is that it uses a case that is rare in the extreme to try and prove something about the ordinary. This argument is so silly that there can be only one reason the left uses it so often: it's very difficult to not feel bad for a rape victim even to the point where you are willing to do almost anything to alleviate the pain they're in. Nevertheless, murder is clearly immoral even if the murder would alleviate someone else's pain.

4. My body, my choice. - Well, yes, and that's why I have no problem if you want to get breast implants or undergo breast reduction surgery; I don't want to make it illegal for you to surgically alter your genitals, to have an elective hysterectomy or to have your tubes tied. Your body, your choice. I just don't want you harming someone else's body, namely the child's. Your child's body, NOT your choice to murder your child.

5. How can you be pro-life if you support the death penalty? If you're pro-life you have to support ALL life. - This is one of the more insulting arguments made by pro-abortion folks. Nobody believes this. Even they don't believe it. The death penalty is administered to people who are deserving of death. Abortion is administered to babies because their mothers don't want to have them. The only logical reason to be against the death penalty is that in some cases we are unsure about the person's guilt. But I think it would be hard to find someone who believes that if we know for certain a person is guilty of heinous murderous crimes that capital punishment would be unwarranted. And it CERTAINLY is, at best, a debate with no relation to whether an innocent baby ought to be put to death simply because the mother prefers to do so.

All of these arguments are distractions from the only question that actually matters: Is the fetus a human being that deserves the protection of its life like all other human beings deserve? I'm sick of getting distracted by all the other irrelevant arguments because this really is the only one that may be worth having. Now, there may be some complex discussion about this at earlier stages in pregnancy from the point of view of religion. For example, in Orthodox Judaism, although abortion is certainly forbidden as a general rule, there are slight differences between the extremely early stages of pregnancy and the rest of pregnancy.

However, religion should not be the sole basis for secular law and I think most leftists would claim to be happy to rid the law of religious influence entirely. So, I will argue that from a secular scientific point of view, there is simply no moral case for abortion except perhaps in situations where the baby is a genuine threat to the mother's life. The reason is simple: Any differences that one can concoct between a fetus at any point in pregnancy and a baby after birth are arbitrary insofar as the morality of taking the child's life goes.

From the moment of conception, the child has a unique DNA that is human. If scientists were to find a heart cell belonging to a fetus (a heart cell which came from a heart that begins beating around 3 weeks after fertilization, by the way) on another planet, they'd be certain that human beings had been on that planet. If they were able to locate the mother of the baby, they'd be certain that the baby is a unique human being and is not the mother. There are no other considerations that obviate the moral prohibition of murdering this child. Viability, pain sensation, awareness, etc. are irrelevant just as they'd be irrelevant in an adult human being: You can't murder someone who will likely die anyway; You can't murder someone even if they will experience no pain; You can't murder someone if they're comatose.

A human being is a human being is a human being. And an innocent human being deserves protection from those who would harm it just like any other innocent human being.

Contributing Editor: Heimish Conservative

Heimish Conservative is an Orthodox Jew who is politically conservative and can be found on Twitter @HeimishCon

178 Comments

  • Michelle Cory
    Posted September 27, 2017 9:30 am 0Likes

    The reason is is not a human being is because there isn’t any brain . after two months the very beginnings of connections are made. not enough for consciousness. No consciousness no human being or any other being. It is not created until there is a sentient being, between 25 and 32 wks. This is a scientific fact. There’s nothing to argue.

    • Heimish Conservative
      Posted September 27, 2017 11:37 am 0Likes

      1. Can you murder an adult who is brain dead? Can you murder an adult who is unconscious? The problem with any of these definitions for when “personhood” begins is that if you apply those criteria to any adult, you would never think that murdering a person who doesn’t fulfill said criteria should be legal.

      2. Your timeline for when the brain develops and when neural connections are made is quite a bit off: http://americanpregnancy.org/while-pregnant/first-trimester/

      • Heimish Conservative
        Posted September 27, 2017 11:38 am 0Likes

        3. Even if your criteria and your timeline were correct, would you then admit that after 25 weeks or so, abortion should be illegal? That it is murder? If yes, I think it’s good to at least see where we agree. If not, why not?

        4. At the very least, I hope the main purpose of my piece was served: That the only real question to ask is when life begins insofar as it affects the question of the morality of taking that life. People who disagree with you aren’t bigots, don’t approve of rape, aren’t insensitive to women and aren’t trying to take us back to a time when women were treated as chattel. If you come away with that, I think my main purpose has been served. At least we’ll know where the actual disagreement is without demonizing the opposition.

  • Michelle Cory
    Posted September 27, 2017 9:32 am 0Likes

    Your brain is who you are

  • Simone L.
    Posted October 1, 2017 5:06 pm 0Likes

    Dear Heimish Conservative,
    first of all, thank you for taking the time to write your piece and putting it out there despite the critical reactions it will inevitably get (and has gotten already). In the spirit of this site, I hope that we can keep this discussion polite and that you will actually consider my comments rather than call them “some of the most stupidest arguments made by Leftists” the way you have announced your piece on your own site. If you truly want to encourage constructive dialog that focuses on issues rather than partisan affairs, you will have to do your part. I will try to do mine.

    Let’s go through your piece step by step:

    [continued in next comments due to the character limit]

    • Simone L.
      Posted October 1, 2017 5:10 pm 0Likes

      You begin it with describing your experience on Twitter, but not with any facts related to the discussion. You write how thankful you are that most of the replies were from pro-life folks and how “evasive, childish and idiotic” the pro-abortion folks responded. I’m afraid this does absolutely nothing to foster a polite debate. Quite the contrary. Just like on your own website, you’re immediately setting a tone of hatred and division. You haven’t even presented any facts or arguments yet but you have already decided who is right and who is wrong. You also fail to mention the insults yelled by the pro-life faction on Twitter when they comment on pro-choice posts. In other words, you’re not doing your part in fostering a polite debate – you’re only abusing Alyssa’s well-meaning platform here to advance your own divisive agenda.

    • Simone L.
      Posted October 1, 2017 5:12 pm 0Likes

      [part 3]
      If you want to be taken seriously, if you want people to consider your arguments, if you want to be more than yet another pro-life parrot repeating the same old ad hominem rhetoric, you will have to do better than that.

      Re: 1) You claim that the whole terminology was just a meaningless semantic argument. Unfortunately, you don’t seem too familiar with the actual terminology used in a professional context. For example, where do you acknowledge the difference between an embryo and a fetus? Are you even aware that this difference exists? Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean you can just discard the whole argument and claim it didn’t matter. It does matter. Just like the difference between a gorilla and a human matters, even though both are mammals.

      • Heimish Conservative
        Posted October 18, 2017 10:48 pm 0Likes

        Sorry. Haven’t checked this page in a while. I’ll try to respond to as much as I can.

        As far as my style, this piece was taken from my site which was originally intended more for people on my side already, but let’s leave that aside for now.

        I think you’re proving my point here. Terminology is only important in terms of emotional impact, not as actual arguments.

      • Heimish Conservative
        Posted October 18, 2017 11:17 pm 0Likes

        Here’s the point: What is the MORAL difference between a fetus and a baby? An embryo and a fetus? That’s all I care about in terms of abortion, since the morality is all I’m addressing. There may be scientific differences, but not moral ones. In that sense, the differences in terms are merely semantic.

  • Simone L.
    Posted October 1, 2017 5:14 pm 0Likes

    [part 4]
    Furthermore, your whole article itself is a case in point that terminology and semantic differences DO matter. You keep using the word “murder” throughout your piece – obviously meant to trigger an emotional response from your readers, rather than letting them focus on facts. The word “murder” has a specific meaning though, and in many cases it would be incorrect to use it when talking about the abortions performed. For example, when a mother’s life is threatened and the pregnancy has to be terminated, it is a form of self-defense. Self-defense is not murder. A more appropriate word to use may be “homicide.” But it’s less emotionally charged than “murder” and thus less suitable to advance the divisive agenda you seem to pursue. I dare you to prove me wrong and start using proper terminology.

    • Simone L.
      Posted October 1, 2017 5:16 pm 0Likes

      [part 5]
      Re: 2) Fully agree here. Arguments along the lines of “if you believe A, why don’t you support B” are non sequitors indeed, and I wish people would stop using them – both on the Left and on the Right.

      Re: 3) Now we’re getting to the gritty part. There is no fallacy here, as you claim. But in order to understand this, you will have to leave your “pro-babies” bubble for a moment and consider things from the perspective of the mother, because a pregnancy always involves (at least) two people: the child AND the mother. Nobody says that a baby conceived through rape is somehow less human than a baby conceived through consensual sex. But the role of the mother is VERY different in these two cases. And since the mother plays an integral role during the whole pregnancy, you cannot simply toss away her rights as if they didn’t matter.

    • Simone L.
      Posted October 1, 2017 5:17 pm 0Likes

      [part 6]
      The mother is a human being, too! And no, these cases are neither rare nor silly. Once again, you are using ad-hominem attacks to make your partisan point and lay blame with “the Left” – see my introductory remarks. Your argument that a mother can’t kill her 12-year-old child doesn’t work either, because in that scenario, the mother DOES have other options and is NOT an integral part of the constellation anymore. She can turn away. She can give up the child. She can remove herself from the equation. But a mother who still carries the result of her having been raped INSIDE HER OWN BODY does not have any of these options. If you don’t understand how traumatic that is and how inhuman it is to force someone to submit their whole body to nine months of mental (and often physical) pain, I suggest you have a few conversations with rape survivors before ever arguing along those lines again.

      • Heimish Conservative
        Posted October 18, 2017 10:53 pm 0Likes

        1. Cases of abortion after rape are very rare. Just 1%: https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/journals/3711005.pdf

        2. My point is NONE of the mother’s considerations match up to taking another person’s life. That’s not because I don’t recognize the pain. But pain isn’t enough to kill someone else. But I agree (and said as much) that an exception WOULD be where the pregnancy is a threat to life of the mother. Most pro-lifers agree as well.

    • Simone L.
      Posted October 1, 2017 5:18 pm 0Likes

      [part 7]
      Re: 4) Once again, you fail to even remotely consider the rights of the mother and instead resort to inappropriate comparisons with cosmetic surgery. You keep saying that you want to protect someone’s body from getting harmed – but apparently, the mother is just some random lifeless thing to you, not someone who has a body of her own. You know what every mother was at some point in her life? A baby. And at least at that point, she must have had some rights, according to your arguments. So I’m asking you: At what point in her life does a mother lose her right not to be harmed that she did have when she was a baby?

      • Heimish Conservative
        Posted October 18, 2017 10:55 pm 0Likes

        Again, the answer to this is she may not kill another innocent person (the baby) simply to protect herself from “harm”.

    • Simone L.
      Posted October 1, 2017 5:19 pm 0Likes

      [part 8]
      Re: 5) This is not an insulting argument, as you claim, but a serious question that no pro-life person should evade by simply and falsely announcing that “nobody believes this.” You also claim that there was nobody who wouldn’t find the capital punishment warranted for someone who has committed heinous crimes (with no doubt). Guess what: Here I am. I do NOT find the capital punishment warranted, thereby proving you wrong just like that. The capital punishment leaves no room for growth, regret, and redemption. It is final. Forever. No backsies. And I do not consider myself divine enough to make that ultimate decision. What kind of God complex must one have to declare with such conviction that some people “are deserving of death?” Who are YOU to decide who deserves to live and who deserves to die?

      • Heimish Conservative
        Posted October 18, 2017 11:02 pm 0Likes

        Thought experiment for you (it’s extreme, but that’s the point of thought experiments): If Hitler were standing in front of you in 1945, would you give him the death penalty? What about in 1940?I think if you said no to these questions, you’re either lying or you’re telling the truth, but you’re in the extreme minority.

        Now, let’s take it back to ground level. Suppose it was someone who (G-d forbid) killed your mother, father, spouse, children and all your friends and it was clear that the person had no regret and was particularly happy about it? You still think the death penalty is unwarranted?

        Even if you said you did, it misses my point. It’s not that you think the death penalty is unwarranted. It’s that you don’t feel capable of making the judgment. That’s different.

        And why do you feel THAT’S unwarranted, but not abortion?

    • Simone L.
      Posted October 1, 2017 5:20 pm 0Likes

      [part 9]
      And finally, the biggest blunder of your whole piece, and the most obvious proof that you do not fully understand what you’re talking about, is your claim that “abortion is administered because mothers don’t want to have their babies.” My God, what ignorance. How many women who were forced to have an abortion have you talked to in your life? How many have cried tears in front of you about having been forced to make that hard decision despite having wished for a child for so long?

      Are there women who end up pregnant simply because they didn’t care enough (and neither did the father)? Yes. Are there women who end a pregnancy simply because they don’t want to deal with it at this point in their life? Also, yes. And should society try to provide them with all the support and consultations they need so they might change their mind? Yes, yes, yes.

      • Heimish Conservative
        Posted October 18, 2017 11:07 pm 0Likes

        Again, I refer you to the research: https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/journals/3711005.pdf

        Most people’s reason for having abortions is not because they were “forced to”. But again, my point is that the reason is not all that relevant. If the fetus is a human being, then the morality or immorality of taking that human being’s life is entirely independent of the reasons for doing so EXCEPT to save another human being (the mother).

    • Simone L.
      Posted October 1, 2017 5:22 pm 0Likes

      [part 10]
      But just like you argue that allegedly “rare cases of rape” shouldn’t define this discussion, I say that “rare cases of carefree sex” shouldn’t determine the life and well-being of so many others who did take precautions, who did want to get pregnant, who did try their best to take their pregnancy all the way to a successful birth after nine months – but whose intentions were thwarted by circumstances beyond their control.

      Your whole argument essentially boils down to “those careless, inconsiderate mothers want to murder those poor innocent babies and need to get punished!” My argument boils down to “in dubio pro reo.” Because this is what pro-choice is about.

      [[end // sorry about the many comments, but the character limit on this site that wants to encourage debate is ridiculously low — any moderator reading this, please, make it longer! Thanks!]]

      • Heimish Conservative
        Posted October 18, 2017 11:14 pm 0Likes

        This is such a gross misrepresentation of what I said and what I believe. You are projecting your preconceptions about what pro-lifers believe onto me. I specifically ended my piece saying that I do not believe that the arguments I debunked are really relevant. This means I AM NOT saying that carelessness should determine morality of abortion and I NEVER advocated punishing people who have had abortions.

        Again, forget the article for a second.

        Is a fetus (or even embryo) a human being?

        If yes, how can killing it for ANYTHING other than saving mother’s life ever be justified?

        If not, why should it ever be unjustified?

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